Comments on: The latest “scientific breakthrough” scam — water gas

By: mickey

mickey — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 02:59:41 +0000

The radarman seemed to me to be one of the most interesting views.
The biggest problem I see is that you may only be able to operate this system in warm weather. Adding another chemical for antifreeze may change everything.
The maintenance seems to be a minor issue as I check my oil alot.
It seems like it converts water to HHO on demand and with a different programmble chip, the engine should adapt to the air fuel mixture and prevent preignition.
If someone has a case history of an injury, I would like to know about it. It seems safe as it is made on demand. I won’t buy it until I know it is safe and effective.
I am not a technician or scholar, but common sense tells me to hold off and gather a little more data.

By: Smarterthan^

Smarterthan^ — Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:04:23 +0000

Well I know I didn’t make myself exactly clear, I do have a HHO gen. nor do I know someone that has used one so I could see the results first hand. They “claim” 20-30 % or more increase, if it creates a 1-2 mpg load increase due to the alt drag that will still increase mpg. The question is how efficient are the generators, also have to add in the cost of building and maintenance on it. Will all that still outweigh the price?? I don’t know

By: Smarterthan^

Smarterthan^ — Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:50:25 +0000

Of course man… but what you and everyone else believe is that by running 10-20 amps off of the alternator it’s going to take off 5 mpg which is not going to happen. If that was the case my friend who has the same kind of vehicle would get 12 mpg because he has an amp with 2 subs. his truck gets the same fuel economy as mine (within reason of course)… maybe if you want to break out decimal places there maybe a difference.

By: Phil

Phil — Mon, 15 Feb 2010 06:33:55 +0000

For some reason a lot of people dont understand energy.Even if an alternator can produce 100 amps it will only supply the demand on it.As the load increases so the alternator compensates for it,As it requires more power to turn it more fuel is consumed.Try hooking up a fuel flo meter then watch it change as you turn on lights .radio etc.It needs to be an accurate meter.This will prove exactly what is happening.I use a meter on lots of applications especially marine motors where fuel consumption can be vital.

By: Smarterthan^

Smarterthan^ — Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:23:22 +0000

First off, when you call someone ignortant make sure you atleast spell it correctly. 2nd, you and all the others who think that an alternator with an increased load will burn more fuel are the idiots. So what y’all believe is that a car with subwoofers will burn more fuel because they draw more amps. An alternator is most newer vehicles have between 80-110 amp output, meaning a constant it produces the same amout of amps, ex 90 amps @ 1,500 rpm. So if you have nothing on in the car (no radio, ac/heater, lights) it’s still going to produce those amps! The same if you have all of that on! Meaning an alternator doesn’t create amps on demand, it creates a set amount used or not. It can’t create more if it’s at it’s max, so by running a HHO gen. it uses the unused amps like when you have all the excessories off you have an excess. Meaning if your alt. is already at it’s max it will not work efficiently and it will rob amps from the battery resulting in a dead battery. But all along leaving NO effect on fuel economy!

By: greggory

greggory — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 04:33:10 +0000

this man is what is called ignorint (not in a bad way) in a way that is used to say someone who doesn’t quite know all the facts of something so you need to do your reserch.

By: Patrick

Patrick — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 07:43:23 +0000

I’ve read both sides of the argument. I see compelling statements from both sides. However from the skeptics side, you cannot judge based on math – you have to TEST it.

Is a 20 amp “strain” on a vehicles alternator to produce some HHO gas REALLY going to yield a statistical “wash” in the end? If that were so, then as another poster pointed out, running the headlights, the blower, the stereo and any other electrical items in the car since they are NOT giving back, SHOULD cause my millage to diminish significantly. So I find it curious why I don’t see a noticeable loss of mileage when I drive at night?

To the nay-sayers beating the “something for nothing” and “run your car on water scam” drums to death… This is NOT “something for nothing”. The HHO mixture is a gasoline fuel SUPPLEMENT – not a REPLACEMENT. HHO is an extremely volatile mixture – that we can agree on. Guess what? So is an air-gasoline fuel mixture. The HHO system is “safe” from the point that it is produced on demand. There are no storage tanks of HHO – just H2O. I understand the concern about “flashback” ignition into the system, but most of the system designs I’ve seen employ flashback valves to prevent this from being a problem.

To the nay sayers saying “if this worked, why hasn’t the auto industry latched on to it”. I have a simple answer. Because an HHO system requires regular MAINTENANCE every week! From THIS perspective the statement “you can’t get something for nothing” applies. The water reserviour requires topping off every few hundred miles. You have to mix electrolyte solution (can’t use just plain tap water), you have to clean the system from corrosion, if you’re in an area where the temperature dips below freezing at least a few days out of the year (read 95% of the continental USA) your going to have problems when your HHO cell freezes. THE AVERAGE JOE CAN BARELY BE BOTHERED TO CHECK HIS OIL WHEN HE FILLS UP; RELYING INSTEAD ON “SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE” AND “IDIOT LIGHT” INDICATORS!! Yes – I DO believe a system such as this can yield a significant improvement in MPG, but the system has to be MAINTAINED and tuned to work correctly, and thats just too much work for Joe Average to bother with. So the HHO generator is relegated to the tinkerers workshop.

So in closing to the cynics – put up or shut up. Don’t quote me math (X cant = Y because Z nullifies both). Do the TESTING YOURSELF and SHOW me it can’t work. Because you’re out numbered by the workshop tinkerers who are saying it DOES work.