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		<title>By: James WFE Mooney</title>
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		<dc:creator>James WFE Mooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eljefe,

When Oklevueha NAC authorized Phil &#039;Cloudpilier&#039; Landis Independent Branch of Oklevueha NAC, we were familiar of Mr. Landis personal history and of his heritage.  We found him to be very astute in his knowledge of the plant kingdom and a distant descendent of Chief Joseph.  However, this knowledge was not the deciding factor of Phil receiving a Independent Branch of Oklevueha NAC, the spirit to strengthen by protecting Mr. Landis already blossoming gifts was the major motivation.  He has brought nothing but honor and respect of service to Oklevueha NAC and his heritage.

In Oklevueha NAC opinion, In reality blood quantum has very little to do with spiritual matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eljefe,</p>
<p>When Oklevueha NAC authorized Phil &#8216;Cloudpilier&#8217; Landis Independent Branch of Oklevueha NAC, we were familiar of Mr. Landis personal history and of his heritage.  We found him to be very astute in his knowledge of the plant kingdom and a distant descendent of Chief Joseph.  However, this knowledge was not the deciding factor of Phil receiving a Independent Branch of Oklevueha NAC, the spirit to strengthen by protecting Mr. Landis already blossoming gifts was the major motivation.  He has brought nothing but honor and respect of service to Oklevueha NAC and his heritage.</p>
<p>In Oklevueha NAC opinion, In reality blood quantum has very little to do with spiritual matters.</p>
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		<title>By: eljefe</title>
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		<dc:creator>eljefe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 05:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand corrected. Sorry if I offended you. Has Mr Landis also had such a test?</description>
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		<title>By: James WFE Mooney</title>
		<link>http://www.computernewbie.info/wheatdogg/2009/05/11/a-sad-curious-tale-of-rampant-duplicity-and-stupidity/#comment-49350</link>
		<dc:creator>James WFE Mooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 17:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eljefe,

Federal Attorney&#039;s, Utah Federal Defenders Office, sponsored a DNA test on me that substantiated my American Native Heritage, unequivocally.

The Lakota Sioux and Paiute Nations Spiritual Leaders and Tribal Chiefs are very much in support of Oklevueha Native American Church...
http://www.youtube.com/user/jamesflamingeagle#p/a/u/0/Gyeyt_cRu3E 

James Warren &#039;Flaming Eagle&#039; Mooney</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eljefe,</p>
<p>Federal Attorney&#8217;s, Utah Federal Defenders Office, sponsored a DNA test on me that substantiated my American Native Heritage, unequivocally.</p>
<p>The Lakota Sioux and Paiute Nations Spiritual Leaders and Tribal Chiefs are very much in support of Oklevueha Native American Church&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/jamesflamingeagle#p/a/u/0/Gyeyt_cRu3E" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/user/jamesflamingeagle#p/a/u/0/Gyeyt_cRu3E</a> </p>
<p>James Warren &#8216;Flaming Eagle&#8217; Mooney</p>
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		<title>By: eljefe</title>
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		<dc:creator>eljefe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 14:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of what you say has merit, but you are off base in some other aspects.

Had the cancer patient in question not been a minor child, no one -- maybe -- would have forced him or his parents to take the chemotherapy. Adults have the option to take natural cures, although the track record of such cures is not as wonderful as you seem to believe. It&#039;s certainly no better than chemo and radiation therapy. As for a healthy diet, environment and lifestyle, all are beneficial to one&#039;s healthy and well-being, but there are no guarantees they will prevent cancer. 

I am not a Native American, but your accusation that Natives are withholding their teachings deliberately from the public is offensive. The Nemenhah are not Native Americans; most of the various Native nations do not accept them as &quot;one of them.&quot; In fact, at least one Native American website calls the Nemenhah &quot;false Indians,&quot; white people who only claim they are Native. (It would be interesting to see if Landis or Mooney would agree to a DNA test to see if they carry Native American haploids.) 

As for the feds persecuting natural healers, you are overstating the case. The people facing prosecution (there is a difference) were the boy&#039;s family, who were deliberately skirting legal requirements that they obey the court. Landis and Mooney were not hounded or arrested. In fact, as far as I know, they are still free to peddle whatever they like to the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of what you say has merit, but you are off base in some other aspects.</p>
<p>Had the cancer patient in question not been a minor child, no one &#8212; maybe &#8212; would have forced him or his parents to take the chemotherapy. Adults have the option to take natural cures, although the track record of such cures is not as wonderful as you seem to believe. It&#8217;s certainly no better than chemo and radiation therapy. As for a healthy diet, environment and lifestyle, all are beneficial to one&#8217;s healthy and well-being, but there are no guarantees they will prevent cancer. </p>
<p>I am not a Native American, but your accusation that Natives are withholding their teachings deliberately from the public is offensive. The Nemenhah are not Native Americans; most of the various Native nations do not accept them as &#8220;one of them.&#8221; In fact, at least one Native American website calls the Nemenhah &#8220;false Indians,&#8221; white people who only claim they are Native. (It would be interesting to see if Landis or Mooney would agree to a DNA test to see if they carry Native American haploids.) </p>
<p>As for the feds persecuting natural healers, you are overstating the case. The people facing prosecution (there is a difference) were the boy&#8217;s family, who were deliberately skirting legal requirements that they obey the court. Landis and Mooney were not hounded or arrested. In fact, as far as I know, they are still free to peddle whatever they like to the public.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 22:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of your opinions of Mooney or Landis, the Nemenhah band is providing a valuable service to humanity.  There are natural solutions to the most difficult health challenges, if you are willing to make the life changes required.  You cannot continue to poison yourself with medications, non-food passing for food, EMF pollution, etc., and expect your health to change.  To change your health, you have to change your life.  The religion of Western Medicine preaches the corporate lie that all you have to change is your chemistry and remove organs as they wear out.  We are more than chemicals!  We must involve our minds and our spirits in the healing process to be most successful.  Cutting out a tumor does not change the conditions that prevented the immune system from taking care of the cancer like it was designed to.  The federal government has been corrupted by the money involved in the pharmaceutial industry and does not want any other approach to become popular.   Read up on the history of the Flexnor report.  The FDA and FTC will crucify anyone claiming a cure for anything that is not a drug.  If you choose to use medicine, that is your choice.  Don&#039;t tell me I don&#039;t have the choice to use natural healing methods.  The Nemenhah goal is to restore the sacred to natural healing.  I assume Native American Tribal healers feel the same way.  I don&#039;t see any tribes trying to help the public adopt a spiritual path for healing.  If you have something of great value and keep it to yourself, you can justifiably lose ownership of it.  Protecting natural healers from persecution by the federal government so they can serve the people that choose this path is bigger than the issues that have been raised here.  And if a family decides not to risk misery, sterility and death by medicine, they should have that right.  The statistics of medical success in cancer treatment are grossly misrepresented.  As Mark Twain said, there are lies, there are damn lies, and then there are statistics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of your opinions of Mooney or Landis, the Nemenhah band is providing a valuable service to humanity.  There are natural solutions to the most difficult health challenges, if you are willing to make the life changes required.  You cannot continue to poison yourself with medications, non-food passing for food, EMF pollution, etc., and expect your health to change.  To change your health, you have to change your life.  The religion of Western Medicine preaches the corporate lie that all you have to change is your chemistry and remove organs as they wear out.  We are more than chemicals!  We must involve our minds and our spirits in the healing process to be most successful.  Cutting out a tumor does not change the conditions that prevented the immune system from taking care of the cancer like it was designed to.  The federal government has been corrupted by the money involved in the pharmaceutial industry and does not want any other approach to become popular.   Read up on the history of the Flexnor report.  The FDA and FTC will crucify anyone claiming a cure for anything that is not a drug.  If you choose to use medicine, that is your choice.  Don&#8217;t tell me I don&#8217;t have the choice to use natural healing methods.  The Nemenhah goal is to restore the sacred to natural healing.  I assume Native American Tribal healers feel the same way.  I don&#8217;t see any tribes trying to help the public adopt a spiritual path for healing.  If you have something of great value and keep it to yourself, you can justifiably lose ownership of it.  Protecting natural healers from persecution by the federal government so they can serve the people that choose this path is bigger than the issues that have been raised here.  And if a family decides not to risk misery, sterility and death by medicine, they should have that right.  The statistics of medical success in cancer treatment are grossly misrepresented.  As Mark Twain said, there are lies, there are damn lies, and then there are statistics.</p>
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		<title>By: Superdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Superdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deluca...without citing a source and by writing what amounts to biased opinion with no names and with no names of any offices associated you fail to prove any point. 

Can you cite the case that was financed by the United States Federal Defenders Attorney Office (and which office...what district, what location, what attorney...the federal public defenders are not one autonomous unit so please be specific)?

Can you cite where the information about the the DNA testing results come from?

And when you mention Chiefs and spiritual leaders....what are their names???  

Makes no sense to make a post and act as if you&#039;ve said anything when you&#039;re just spouting the same stuff all spiritual exploiters spout.  Answer these questions and show some real proof.

AND THEN

Show me where Moody speaks his language, and what community with an established land base claims him as one of their own.

Hate to point out the obvious, but we&#039;re dealing with individuals selling religion for money here and nothing else.

Superdog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deluca&#8230;without citing a source and by writing what amounts to biased opinion with no names and with no names of any offices associated you fail to prove any point. </p>
<p>Can you cite the case that was financed by the United States Federal Defenders Attorney Office (and which office&#8230;what district, what location, what attorney&#8230;the federal public defenders are not one autonomous unit so please be specific)?</p>
<p>Can you cite where the information about the the DNA testing results come from?</p>
<p>And when you mention Chiefs and spiritual leaders&#8230;.what are their names???  </p>
<p>Makes no sense to make a post and act as if you&#8217;ve said anything when you&#8217;re just spouting the same stuff all spiritual exploiters spout.  Answer these questions and show some real proof.</p>
<p>AND THEN</p>
<p>Show me where Moody speaks his language, and what community with an established land base claims him as one of their own.</p>
<p>Hate to point out the obvious, but we&#8217;re dealing with individuals selling religion for money here and nothing else.</p>
<p>Superdog</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 01:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that there is much controversy and ego here that is clouding the truth.  While it is more than unfortunate of what happened to the people who were in the Americas when the white man came, we cannot change the past.  For the modern white man to try and correct something that he had nothing to do w/ in present time, isn&#039;t reasonable and neither is being angry over the atrocities committed in the past (excluding present atrocities) against the red people.  That kind of energy keeps us stuck in the past, pollutes the present and clouds our vision for a peaceful co-existence for the future.  Besides giving preferential treatment to any group of people based on race is another form of racism.  People of all races, colors, classes and creeds deserve the right to responsibly pursue their spiritual path and be protected by the Constitution.

While I only have something like 1/120% Cherokee blood in me, I don&#039;t consider myself to be Cherokee.  I do however consider myself to be a native American bc I was born here.  If one were to look back far enough, the red man migrated to Americas just like the whit man.  I also agree w/ the many views against the froo-froo New Agers and how they have turned spirituality into a popular marketable commodity profiting from those seeking something other than what the mainstream has to offer.  Exploitation aside, what is wrong w/ culture and spirituality evolving and creating a way of life that works in present time that you feel a connection to?  The &quot;Native Americans&quot; had/ have many good ideas on living and spirituality, but let us not forget that they also had their own human iniquities by warring amongst themselves not to mention tribal life could be pretty brutal, depending on the tribe, in our modern way of thinking.  Whether our skin is white or red, we all are subject to being human and our hearts beat in the same way.

The truth is that we are all brothers and sisters here stewarding this planet Earth and that the land doesn&#039;t belong to anyone but the Creator.  I think that the Creator would be most pleased to see us trying to co-exist peacefully and treating each other w/ love and understanding.  The white man needs to have compassion for the atrocities committed (and still being committed) against his red brothers and sisters.  The red man needs to forgive his white brothers and sisters.  Tearing each other down only serves to inflate our egos, impedes the healing process and keeps us separated.  While this is idealistic, it is possible.  This way of life and thinking starts w/ each of us making a conscious decision to be the change we wish to see.

I wish much love and aloha to all the people of the Earth, especially those that have commented so heatedly on this web-site.  My prayer is that we will all be able to set our egos aside and help each other co-create a peaceful existence for all our relations and future generations.  We are the ones we have been waiting for.  Only love can overpower hate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that there is much controversy and ego here that is clouding the truth.  While it is more than unfortunate of what happened to the people who were in the Americas when the white man came, we cannot change the past.  For the modern white man to try and correct something that he had nothing to do w/ in present time, isn&#8217;t reasonable and neither is being angry over the atrocities committed in the past (excluding present atrocities) against the red people.  That kind of energy keeps us stuck in the past, pollutes the present and clouds our vision for a peaceful co-existence for the future.  Besides giving preferential treatment to any group of people based on race is another form of racism.  People of all races, colors, classes and creeds deserve the right to responsibly pursue their spiritual path and be protected by the Constitution.</p>
<p>While I only have something like 1/120% Cherokee blood in me, I don&#8217;t consider myself to be Cherokee.  I do however consider myself to be a native American bc I was born here.  If one were to look back far enough, the red man migrated to Americas just like the whit man.  I also agree w/ the many views against the froo-froo New Agers and how they have turned spirituality into a popular marketable commodity profiting from those seeking something other than what the mainstream has to offer.  Exploitation aside, what is wrong w/ culture and spirituality evolving and creating a way of life that works in present time that you feel a connection to?  The &#8220;Native Americans&#8221; had/ have many good ideas on living and spirituality, but let us not forget that they also had their own human iniquities by warring amongst themselves not to mention tribal life could be pretty brutal, depending on the tribe, in our modern way of thinking.  Whether our skin is white or red, we all are subject to being human and our hearts beat in the same way.</p>
<p>The truth is that we are all brothers and sisters here stewarding this planet Earth and that the land doesn&#8217;t belong to anyone but the Creator.  I think that the Creator would be most pleased to see us trying to co-exist peacefully and treating each other w/ love and understanding.  The white man needs to have compassion for the atrocities committed (and still being committed) against his red brothers and sisters.  The red man needs to forgive his white brothers and sisters.  Tearing each other down only serves to inflate our egos, impedes the healing process and keeps us separated.  While this is idealistic, it is possible.  This way of life and thinking starts w/ each of us making a conscious decision to be the change we wish to see.</p>
<p>I wish much love and aloha to all the people of the Earth, especially those that have commented so heatedly on this web-site.  My prayer is that we will all be able to set our egos aside and help each other co-create a peaceful existence for all our relations and future generations.  We are the ones we have been waiting for.  Only love can overpower hate.</p>
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